How to Flare Brake Line Without Flare Tool
Flaring without tools
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Flaring without tools
Hey guys, can you flare soft copper tube without tools. I am broke 
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by pythonshine » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:07 pm
Do some research mate. I just did one with some results. Beware are spoons tend to be small and have been known to have a keen edge.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by NZChris » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:30 pm
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Distilledsnow » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:58 am
pythonshine wrote:Do some research mate. I just did one with some results. Beware are spoons tend to be small and have been known to have a keen edge.
Sorry thank you for your reply, but not sure what this means.
I am very keen for some sort of answer, I have been digging through the net all day (literally )
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Kegg_jam » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:07 am
Didn't say what you want to flare and for what purpose. Gonna need a torch at least.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by pfshine » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:59 am
What kind of flare and what size and type of pipe? Need to know this to tell you the minimum tools you can get away with.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by FreeMountainHermit » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:09 am
Plan ahead what you have in mind and have the materials on your bench.
Beg, borrow, rent the tool.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Distilledsnow » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:28 pm
I want to flare the end of my copper tube, I have been given by my beloved a pot still from China, I question the brass bits on the lid of the stock pot ( you guys know the one) made a few runs with it but as always kept reading and learning, hence I then learnt about brass. I got a little concerned so I managed to find a brass replacement from oz. better the devil you know, unfortunately like everything if you start fixing one thing the other end will develop a problem, well the locking nut that presses down to make a seal is at a different angle therefore needing a new locking nut for my new flared end. You see my problem.
I ama. Stay at home dad and care for my new baby, (my wife did it for my first to) so now it's mt turn, I don't earn money and I hate to ask her for cash as there isn't that much at the moment.
So I lookforideas to move around things with the basic things I can have. I am pretty isolated so asking mates is pretty much nill.
So come on guys macguyver me some ideas please
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by googe » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:44 pm
Can you post a pic of the problem mate?.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by cranky » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:06 pm
Assuming it's already soft or you can anneal it my thought is to use a tapered dowl or stick or bolt and a board with a hole drilled though it. I don't really know what to say, I have a flaring tool for the little stuff and use a board with a hole and a hammer for the big stuff.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by rad14701 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:48 pm
While you might be able to single flare copper tubing without a flaring tool it would be virtually impossible to double flare, which is how most flares are made... Single flares tend to split when fittings are tightened... Use the right tool for the job... Flaring tools can be had, brand new, for as little as $10 if you don't have a friend or family member who has one...
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Truckinbutch » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:35 pm
rad14701 wrote:While you might be able to single flare copper tubing without a flaring tool it would be virtually impossible to double flare, which is how most flares are made... Single flares tend to split when fittings are tightened... Use the right tool for the job... Flaring tools can be had, brand new, for as little as $10 if you don't have a friend or family member who has one...
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by FreeMountainHermit » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:50 pm
rad14701 wrote:double flare, which is how most flares are made...
hmmmmmmmmm,...... my tubing bending die flaring tool set is single flare. However my brake line set is double flare.
Apples/oranges.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Distilledsnow » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:01 pm
What is the difference, between single and double, the join I seem to need is just flared out once.
Just went down to local hardware to see what the flaring tool is, looks like a jig to hold tight and the something like a hole punch you stick in the end then hit with a hammer, (as per pics on back of pack), thinking of ways to replicate, ideas are appreciated. I smash good but tools to smash with not my speciality.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by FreeMountainHermit » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:05 pm
Basically a single flare is just that, a single flare/bell/bell shape. A double flare is folded back on itself for extra thickness and strength.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by acfixer69 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:12 pm
Single flare for copper. With the right tools. Double flare is for steel. Why fuck with this guy a fudge flare will leak and a double flare on copper is a leak looking to happen.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by pfshine » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:18 pm
Just saw it and was thinking the same AC.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Distilledsnow » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:30 pm
Ok I need a single flare
Doing a bit of rooting around in my shed I am looking at things now to stick down the hole to try and achieve the flared end. Would it be easier to warm her up first then aneil and if so what sort of heat would it need.
I now I'm stretching this conversation but I'm getting desperate, I have a whole heap of wash that I have struggled to get to ferment, ( see high sugar) well I actually got it done and I want to run it now before it goes off, if that's possible
Sorry very new and as you can see I am really trying to get across the line here.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by FreeMountainHermit » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:37 pm
The wash will keep almost indefinitely. Slow down and find the proper tool.
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Truckinbutch » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:49 pm
FreeMountainHermit wrote:The wash will keep almost indefinitely. Slow down and find the proper tool.
+1 About the same thing I would say . If you get in too much of a hurry to do it right the first time it will cost you 3 times as much to go back and do it right the second time .
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Distilledsnow » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:55 pm
Ok
Backing away from the ledge
I will still need to think of a way around my issue long term. Rang around now, looking at about $40 for a flaring tool. I'm dreaming at getting that, no matter how good I am at doing things.......like vacuuming .
Scoring some new pipe can be fudged. So all I have is more time to work this problem
Thank you for taking the time to answer my issues though
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by frodo » Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:24 pm
I am sure you already have flared your pipe by now.
But i want to put my 2 cents in anyway. use a flaring tool
this is the steps.
ream the pipe, this is important, if you do not ream the pipe, you get a funky ridge on the end of the pipe that will leak.
push the end of copper into the flare tool.level with the top of the tool
lock it in place, flare it.
you can not flare hard copper with out anealing it first. it will split
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by frodo » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:49 am
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Distilledsnow » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:32 pm
Thank you for your reply, I ended up flaring the end via getting someone else to do it. Unfortunately he was a rip off but was frantic and freaking out so paid the little bit of dosh I scrapped together. I will as funds get further along purchase my tool.
Again many thanks for taking the time
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by frodo » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:22 pm
what the hell is dosh? you aint doint illegal stuff are you ? LOL
I take it dosh is Australian? for bucks...
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Distilledsnow » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:49 pm
Dosh is dollars Aussie slang I guess
No defiantly not anything illegal.....ever
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by frodo » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:27 am
you never did say, what size pipe are you flaring ?
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Re: Flaring without tools
Post by Hound Dog » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:57 pm
Distilledsnow wrote:No defiantly not anything illegal.....ever
Well, except distilling alcohol.... that's just a little illegal. ...... sometimes. .... 
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